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February 20, 2005

you had me at mutatio controversiae

many people believe the arab world needs to undergo their own enlightenment period before they can really integrate into the western-owned world. i won't pretend to be able to really evaluate that statement, don't have the necessary understanding of the mechanisms of western history, much much less that of arab cultures. it sounds to me of course ethnocentric and determinist, but looking past that, there's a valid point there: every culture needs a century or so of pompous philosophers and naturalists alike running around cataloguing things.

here's an example. this is a bit late to the game enlightenment-wise, but schopenhauer is so sticking to linnaeus' guns it's hilarious: the art of controversy.

here's what it consists of:

1. Preliminary: Logic and Dialectic.

some etymology: logizesthai vs dialegesthai, and what the role of logic vs dialectic has been semantically; nothing new here if you've read your diogenes laertius but who the fuck has? so this is interesting. also, some amusingly straight talk:

"Dialectic, then, need have nothing to do with truth, as little as the fencing master considers who is in the right when a dispute leads to a duel."

this is good stuff, and i mean that in the sincerest way: this is good straight-talk that leaves the smart reader in control of the irony adjuster. (you know, unlike your typical half-witted wannabe-machiavelli types.)

2. The Basis of All Dialectic.

if you're pressed for time, lazy, or not inclined to generally waste your life with stuff like this, this is a good place to stop. this is where, in best enlightenment fashion, schopenhauer starts to shine the bright miner's hat flashlight of his mind into the mystery of dialectic, and of course, the de rigueur way about it is by analysis, in the strict sense:

"Our opponent has stated a thesis, or we ourselves,—it is all one. There are two modes of refuting it, and two courses that we may pursue.
I. The modes are (1) ad rem, (2) ad hominem or ex concessis."

and then there are two courses for those two modes, and generally everything divides neatly into subcategories, until (and this is the keystone of analytical philosophy) you're so completely divorced from your subject matter that further analysis would be, well, beside the point.

3. Stratagems.

this is money.

dude lists and explains, in detail, the methods of refuting your opponent in dialectic (there are 38 of them). i'm not making this up. apparently there are thirty-eight ways to jab, dodge, parry, camouflage, annoy or obfuscate. and reading this catalogue makes you a better conversationalist much in the same way that memorizing the dewey decimal system makes you an author.

however, with all of his philosopher's arrogance, his concluding statements win me over. dude had an ego the size of hegel's System and an annoying presumption of superiority, but i think he was a gentleman at heart:

As a sharpening of wits, controversy is often, indeed, of mutual advantage, in order to correct one’s thoughts and awaken new views. But in learning and in mental power both disputants must be tolerably equal. If one of them lacks learning, he will fail to understand the other, as he is not on the same level with his antagonist. If he lacks mental power, he will be embittered, and led into dishonest tricks, and end by being rude.
"The only safe rule, therefore, is that which Aristotle mentions in the last chapter of his Topica: not to dispute with the first person you meet, but only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to cherish truth, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong, should truth lie with him."

Posted by matti at February 20, 2005 04:46 PM

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As a sharpening of wits, controversy is often, indeed, of mutual advantage, in order to correct one’s thoughts and awaken new views. But in

maybe i don't get this right, but i don't think it's self-evident that to "awaken new views" is a good thing. from many viewpoints it certainly is, but i don't like what i think i see between the lines

it's ok to say "to correct one's views" etc, but then you already presuppose that it's a good thing (as opposed to saying "to muddle your thoughts up")

i repeat, maybe i don't get this right (or maybe i'm just an annoying advocatus diaboli), but i don't think "openness to new ideas" etc is of any inherent advatage. a person with such disposition might be good company and easy to be with, and that's good in many respects, but i don't think that is of universal use

Topica: not to dispute with the first person you meet, but only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to cherish truth, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong, should truth lie with him."

this sounds more like a hobby, like chess or tennis. which is ok as such of course, i don't diss that. but whether or not i mainly see discussion as a hobby (or the kind of thing that would seem is presented above) is a different matter

i like discussions with topics that i think i can use somewhere, and not for the sake of having a nice pastime (which, i emphasise, i don't diss). it's not that the quote would contradict this, but again it's a matter of perhaps seeing something implied there, or whatever

or maybe it's a question of definition, and what falls outside it includes e.g. what i put forward earlier as addressing what you're (apparently) replying to an adversary, to an undecided audience, and not the adversary; maybe that is not really "dispute" in the above sense. if you're just having private civilised disputes with peers, then i can't see too much there beyond having a hobby. which is ok, but not really my aim

our private discussions during the years have been of immense value, and i have no reason to expect it would change in the future. but what is the substance of that value? (or, what has the substance of that value turned out to be?) yeah, you can show off your refined brain, after having honed your ideas on someone else's grinder, and that's good if it impresses people you want it to, but personally nowadays i'm more interested in praxis (if you allow me to dichotomise) and how what i think makes me able to achieve some practical aims, such as producing and distributing propaganda, or improving my social position among my own

of course there's the usual litany, that there is no practise without discourse, and that every manifestation of practice is discourse etc. but i hope you get my point without me having to belabour it (but if you don't, i can try)

(you can reply here or somewhere else)

Posted by: joonas at February 22, 2005 08:39 PM